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I learned over the years to put NO stock into "awards", whether it be the Oscars, or conference awards, or Nobel prizes, or Halls of Fame selections, or anything else. The only thing I care about is what is won in direct competition on the field, the diamond, the rink, the court, etc.

That will happen when two different groups vote on these things.

(03-10-2010 10:26 AM)axeme Wrote:  Are there many or any league offices that do selections? Don't almost all use coaches or media?

Anyway...


All-MAC, First and Seond teams & Hon. mention, plus Freshmen team.
MAC site

Quote:All-MAC First Team
Jimmy Conyers, Akron
Rodney Pierce, Buffalo
Kenny Hayes, Miami
David Kool, Western Michigan
Chris Singletary, Kent State

All-MAC Second Team
Jordan Bitzer, Central Michigan
Robbie Harman, Central Michigan
Carlos Medlock, Eastern Michigan
Brandon Bowdry, Eastern Michigan
Justin Greene, Kent State

All-MAC Honorable Mention
Chris McKnight, Akron
Brett McKnight, Akron
Jarrod Jones, Ball State
Scott Thomas, Bowling Green
Calvin Betts, Buffalo
Justin Dobbins, Eastern Michigan
Julian Mavunga, Miami
Xavier Silas, Northern Illinois
D.J. Cooper, Ohio
Armon Bassett, Ohio

All-Freshman Team
Zeke Marshall, Akron
Jauwan Scaife, Ball State
D.J. Cooper, Ohio
Jake Barnett, Toledo
Nate Hutcheson, Western Michigan

The teams were voted on by the league's head coaches.

These teams are a JOKE! IMO, Falls Dog is correct on all accounts. There is no logical excuse for leaving Justin Greene off the 1st team (yes, in place of Conyers!). Charlie Coles even said that Justin might be the best player in the league. Also, Rod Sherman probably deserves 2nd team and clearly Ant Simpson should be honorable mention.

Hopefully, these slights will be used by Justin, Rod and Ant to play even more inspired ball than they have been playing.

Yes, Justin Green is definitely a better player than Conyers. I am pretty sure that has been proven. 0 Honorable mentions is also a load of crap for several players.

I think they should have an award for the one player that made the most impacting/commanding difference in the outcome of a game for each season. Then Sherman would definitely get something. Leaving him off of all of the teams is ridiculous.

What a joke, in what world in Justin Greene not a first teamer? I think I read a quote from KD somewhere saying he would put Sing Rod and Greene all on the first team. Rod doesn't even make any team? Ant Simpson doesn't make any team? Basically they made it the all senior team, not the best players. That is just terrible. Either way, if the players care about it at all, which I kind of doubt, it will just serve as motivation.

(03-10-2010 12:20 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  What a joke, in what world in Justin Greene not a first teamer? I think I read a quote from KD somewhere saying he would put Sing Rod and Greene all on the first team. Rod doesn't even make any team? Ant Simpson doesn't make any team? Basically they made it the all senior team, not the best players. That is just terrible. Either way, if the players care about it at all, which I kind of doubt, it will just serve as motivation.

Seriously? Outside of Conyers, I don't see anyone I really even have a question about putting as First Team All-MAC ahead of Greene and Sherman. I think personally I'd knock Conyers down for Bowdry or maybe Greene. But who do you honestly think Sherman is better than on either the first or second team? I just don't see anyone I could reasonably knock off for him - which is nothing against him.
Same argument for Simpson not making any team. I just don't see anyone who he deserves it ahead of.

(03-10-2010 10:53 AM)fallsdog Wrote:  I have a problem with the following (but when your team is MAC Regular Season Champs, #1 seed in the tournament and going to play in at least the NIT...I can deal with these problems)

1) Justin Greene was third in the POY voting but not able to make first team.

2) Anthony Simpson is the sixth man of the year but doesn't get honorable mention.

3) Kent State goes 13-3 in the league, wins 20+ regular season games and can't get a honorable mention. I would think Rod Sherman OR one of the seniors would deserve to be on that list.

Ah well.

well said, I guess in todays, lets include everyone, so no ones feelings get hurt environment this is what happens. makes no sense.

(03-10-2010 01:02 PM)miamiredhawks Wrote:  

(03-10-2010 12:20 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  What a joke, in what world in Justin Greene not a first teamer? I think I read a quote from KD somewhere saying he would put Sing Rod and Greene all on the first team. Rod doesn't even make any team? Ant Simpson doesn't make any team? Basically they made it the all senior team, not the best players. That is just terrible. Either way, if the players care about it at all, which I kind of doubt, it will just serve as motivation.

Seriously? Outside of Conyers, I don't see anyone I really even have a question about putting as First Team All-MAC ahead of Greene and Sherman. I think personally I'd knock Conyers down for Bowdry or maybe Greene. But who do you honestly think Sherman is better than on either the first or second team? I just don't see anyone I could reasonably knock off for him - which is nothing against him.
Same argument for Simpson not making any team. I just don't see anyone who he deserves it ahead of.

I meant Sherman could have gotten honorable mention. I don't think he is a first of second teamer. Greene should defeintly have been first team though. He leads the best team in the league in most statistical categories, to me that makes him a sure thing 1st teamer.

(03-10-2010 01:02 PM)miamiredhawks Wrote:  

(03-10-2010 12:20 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  What a joke, in what world in Justin Greene not a first teamer? I think I read a quote from KD somewhere saying he would put Sing Rod and Greene all on the first team. Rod doesn't even make any team? Ant Simpson doesn't make any team? Basically they made it the all senior team, not the best players. That is just terrible. Either way, if the players care about it at all, which I kind of doubt, it will just serve as motivation.

Seriously? Outside of Conyers, I don't see anyone I really even have a question about putting as First Team All-MAC ahead of Greene and Sherman. I think personally I'd knock Conyers down for Bowdry or maybe Greene. But who do you honestly think Sherman is better than on either the first or second team? I just don't see anyone I could reasonably knock off for him - which is nothing against him.
Same argument for Simpson not making any team. I just don't see anyone who he deserves it ahead of.

Conyers is excactly who I would replace with Greene on the 1st team. As for Rod Sherman...you probably have a point about me wanting to place him on the 2nd team (I did not get to see Eastern play this season so I can't comment on their players) but I would place Rod and Simpson as honorable mention ahead of both McKnights and Thomas.

So if Conyers beat out Singltary for DPOY (no he did not average more steals or blocks than Singltary) and was first team all Mac why didn't he receive any votes for POY? Trust me I don't think he should have but if hes a first teamer and the DPOY don't you think that would mean hes a candidate for POY? I guess I just don't understand why the voters seemed to be all over him with these awards. He's a good player but first team?

(03-10-2010 03:20 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  So if Conyers beat out Singltary for DPOY (no he did not average more steals or blocks than Singltary) and was first team all Mac why didn't he receive any votes for POY? Trust me I don't think he should have but if hes a first teamer and the DPOY don't you think that would mean hes a candidate for POY? I guess I just don't understand why the voters seemed to be all over him with these awards. He's a good player but first team?

Anti-Zip...your points are too logical and but apparently logic has little to do with the make-up of these all-league teams.

(03-10-2010 10:32 AM)OZoner Wrote:  I don't know, but someone said something about the MAC office deciding the awards. I was specifically responding to that. This is being being discussed more than it needs to be.

(03-10-2010 03:20 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  So if Conyers beat out Singltary for DPOY (no he did not average more steals or blocks than Singltary) and was first team all Mac why didn't he receive any votes for POY? Trust me I don't think he should have but if hes a first teamer and the DPOY don't you think that would mean hes a candidate for POY? I guess I just don't understand why the voters seemed to be all over him with these awards. He's a good player but first team?

This has got to the most crazy deal I've seen in years. I cannot believe akron has three players on the all mac team. They played a girlish non conference, got their brains beat out on national tv three times and yet they get three guys all mac. The coaches who voted must be idiots,except coles and ford . They obviously are weak coaches who can't evaluate talent. This whole event should be based on merit not politics. I can't fathom any coach who would take conyers over greene. Gee whiz, this kid gets votes for poy and makes second team. You mean to tell me we win the season and akron has three all conference selections. Rod and ant can't get honorable mention. Zeke avg four pts a game and he is on the freshman team. Akron is clearly below our level....yet they are recognized the most. This is a tradgedy when you worked you butt off and it goes unnoticed. These are yearly awards. A player may never have this chance again. Some say he will get it or they will get it next year. Fyi next year isn't promised to anyone. While I can't fault akron because they didn't pick themselves. I just hope we can meet one more time this year . I wouldn't want to be akron because kent will humilate them for the fourth time on national tv. I still can't believe it. Next game....kent will utterly destroy whoever they play should they make the final. I feel these guys are a little slighted right now.

Cfg, I knew we would hear from you soon! Couldn't agree more. The only good thing about this is Mr. Greene will have two more years (and three more tournaments) to make the lives of these coaches, who slighted him, miserable.

(03-10-2010 07:19 PM)anti-zip Wrote:  Cfg, I knew we would hear from you soon! Couldn't agree more. The only good thing about this is Mr. Greene will have two more years (and three more tournaments) to make the lives of these coaches, who slighted him, miserable.

I tried to hold it in. Just couldn't do it. We must win this tournament!

One thing we learned a long time ago here: nobody will give us anything. Take the title!

I think this just speaks to the balance of the team. Besides Justin and Chris it could be Ant, Frank, Rod, Mckee or Tyree stepping up.

I don''t care what anyone says its obviously people out there with something against kent for whatever reason and it shows when It comes time for to things like this! Conyers first team and player of the year is one of the most ridiculous things. and some said rod doent deserve it why not rod is a hell of a player and twice as good as Conyers! average more points and more steal and assist, and without his GAME WINNING DUNK along with other countless plays we wouldnt have been mac champs. Im not going to even work myself up by talking about why Justin wasn't first team! It clear bias for akron in ths process somewhere mcknigt bros hon mention? no ant simpson,rod? . zeke fresh team? he sucked all year(this is not on potential).

Simpson was a no brainer well i would think justin was too. Coach ford had to be every year they pick us to finish terribly, (WHY I DONT KNOW) so when we win it they have to give our coach COY

NOW FOR THE DPOY! You got to be kidding me like seriously when i read this i was expecting aston kutcher to bust in my living room and inform me i was being punked! I would have went wit rod or chris for dpoy but i could be bias but if not them let someone with better statistic win the award! cause chris and rod have more steals(cony 37,chr51,rod47)and the same amt of blocks(conyer has 6 chris 5 rod 6)

I just think it's funny you say some people have it out for Kent, yet then you proceed to write from a viewpoint that basically ignores the MAC outside of Akron and Kent....

I mean, not one of you is complaining about any of the second-team selections outside of Greene being second instead of first. Is this because you think it was the right picks, or is it because they're all from the west and you have no real hate for them? Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just saying it's ironic.

I can't speak for everyone but my thoughts have nothing to do with "hating" the players or the teams. On the second team I think that Silas and Basset getting snubbed is kind of a shocker. I thought that those 2 were 2 of the best players in the Mac this year. I do really like Bowdry and Medlock so it's tough to argue with them. Honestly if you ask me, I probably would have had Conyers on Honorable mention Greene 1st and either Silas or Basset maybe both with one of the Central guys on HM. I havn't seen a lot of the west games so I don't want to pass too much judgement on those guys. Trust me I hate OU almost as much as I hate Akron and I still think Basset should have gotten a better shake. Calvin Betts is another player I think could have fit on the 2nd team but I'm ok with him on HM. I'll ask u this though miamiredhawks, as someone without a dog in this fight, where would you have put Greene and Conyers?

(03-10-2010 11:41 PM)miamiredhawks Wrote:  I just think it's funny you say some people have it out for Kent, yet then you proceed to write from a viewpoint that basically ignores the MAC outside of Akron and Kent....

I mean, not one of you is complaining about any of the second-team selections outside of Greene being second instead of first. Is this because you think it was the right picks, or is it because they're all from the west and you have no real hate for them? Not saying there's anything wrong with that, just saying it's ironic.

yeah I only really talked about kent and akron because I am more familiar with conyers I think that for some reason akron consistently gets these players in that is not deserving at all and it the easier argument and i think that conyers/akron honorees were the most undeserving out of them all and the easiest to argue about!

The west is a little harder to say they don't deserve it the western teams seem to have better number and worst records. these are individual awards. I thought the mac took the aproach for number by awarding kool over sing or whoever,but i feel like by puttin conyers on is contradicting everything under no logic does that make sense! It just seem like pure favoritism

Basically what I am saying is u can make an decent argument for wy some of the western players on and other players got on but not for none of the akron players thats why i FOCUSED ON THEM.