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Don't worry to much about this game. Down 2 players, future top 20 NBA pick, and atleast more than one guard stepped up. Porrini needs to handle the ball better, but we couldn't get anything inside so I think he was just trying to force things. No team in the MAC will be even close to that talent level. No big in the MAC can shut Greene down like that and shoot 10-11 against him. They are a great team. None of these loses so far concern me. Unless CSU has a major collapse which I highly doubt they will, those 4 teams will be in the the top 50 in RPI at the end of this year and in the tournement. And even in our worst games, about 3 MAC teams can beat us.

I think expectations for this year were to high. Maybe we arent' as good as we thought.

(12-29-2010 12:19 PM)sigmaflash Wrote:  I think expectations for this year were to high. Maybe we arent' as good as we thought.

Exactly what I've been saying. We are a young team. We play like a young team. Dumb passes, shots taken that make you scratch your head, open shots that are missed, playing half a game, but sleepwalking the other half. We could still win this puppy, just on the fact that we could get hot aginst some bad competition. Heck, March is more about who is hot than what seed a team gets. But I'm thinking this team will be a bunch of rock stars in the future.

(12-29-2010 01:31 PM)AlphaFlash Wrote:  

(12-29-2010 12:19 PM)sigmaflash Wrote:  I think expectations for this year were to high. Maybe we arent' as good as we thought.

Exactly what I've been saying. We are a young team. We play like a young team. Dumb passes, shots taken that make you scratch your head, open shots that are missed, playing half a game, but sleepwalking the other half. We could still win this puppy, just on the fact that we could get hot aginst some bad competition. Heck, March is more about who is hot than what seed a team gets. But I'm thinking this team will be a bunch of rock stars in the future.

The disappointing thing is that at the beginning of the season we looked the same as we do now. There are flashes of greatness from the team and through the first few games they seemed to make some good progress and since then it flat lined. I still think that if they can continue that progress they can turn out great but I'm not as optimistic anymore that the steady progress will come back and stay with us through the season. We're still a good team, just not coming along quite as well as I had hoped. Alpha, you are definitely right though, with only Rod leaving next year should be quite a year for Kent basketball.

Is it possible that team chemistry has not yet developed on this team? That is what I see. The catch 22 is that sometimes players are together for 4 years and still never develop it. It takes a certain combination of personalities and skill sets. I hope it comes along soon.

I think some of you are overreacting. A lot like the Memphis Tiger fan base. Memphis is ridiculously young and is 9-2 with the two losses coming to Kansas and Georgetown. So they have beaten everyone they should have and lost two that they should have. KSU is inexperienced & young and we lost to teams that we should have. CSU (whom we had dead to rights) is 13-1. UAB, Florida, and @ Morehead State were difficult games and ones that would have taken our best effort to win. Not saying that last night wasn't winnable, but MSU is unbeaten at home and they were favored for a reason. We are winning at home and taking care of the teams we should beat. If we continue to do that, we will be gravy. We should be able to sweep the west again, win at home, take a couple of east games on the road and win the MAC. I know that is a broad stroke of the brush, but it is how I see it shaking out.

I don't think its overreacting to look at the team and evaluate them to date . IF they don't get any better then they will not win the MAC, thats all. Do I think they will improve? yes, I think they will get better. The problem is We are beatable in a very simple way. crowd the paint, play a solid zone defense and crash the boards on both ends. That is the recipe to beat Kent and it isn't a secret either. So far we have gutted out some games in which our weaknesses were exposed, that I like, This team plays tough when they need to they play tough. hopefully they improve and keep getting tougher.

We can not over estimate the loss of Guiton. He is a slasher and we need that. Not sure that he will make it back.

(12-29-2010 06:11 PM)GFlash68 Wrote:  We can not over estimate the loss of Guiton. He is a slasher and we need that. Not sure that he will make it back.

agree 100% We are a different team offensively without him. Can they win it all without him? maybe, but they probably won't be as good of a finished product without him as they would be with him.

I wouldn't say anyone is overreacting. No one is losing hope, just saying that the improvement is not coming along as quickly as hoped and it will be a bit tougher than expected.

(12-29-2010 11:32 PM)2thaker8 Wrote:  I wouldn't say anyone is overreacting. No one is losing hope, just saying that the improvement is not coming along as quickly as hoped and it will be a bit tougher than expected.

Exactly! For those who frequently write about "overreacting", most of us here are just critiquing the games as we see them. I haven't read of anyone predicitng a losing season, criticizing the coaches or being ready to jump off of a bridge. I don't care what the record is. Right now, this team is not real good and is not as good as it was 2 weeks ago. Lets face it: Guyton was playing at an All-MAC level and losing him (along with horrible post play) has really hurt this team. Even as bad as the MAC is, unless we get better in a hurry, I don' see us beating Akron on Jan 8th or winning the MAC.

Flash Grad 'O3...Excellent analysis as always. Have you considered a wrting career?

(12-30-2010 08:37 AM)Flash FreaK 81 Wrote:  

(12-29-2010 11:32 PM)2thaker8 Wrote:  I wouldn't say anyone is overreacting. No one is losing hope, just saying that the improvement is not coming along as quickly as hoped and it will be a bit tougher than expected.

Exactly! For those who frequently write about "overreacting", most of us here are just critiquing the games as we see them. I haven't read of anyone predicitng a losing season, criticizing the coaches or being ready to jump off of a bridge. I don't care what the record is. Right now, this team is not real good and is not as good as it was 2 weeks ago. Lets face it: Guyton was playing at an All-MAC level and losing him (along with horrible post play) has really hurt this team. Even as bad as the MAC is, unless we get better in a hurry, I don' see us beating Akron on Jan 8th or winning the MAC.

Flash Grad 'O3...Excellent analysis as always. Have you considered a wrting career?

Let's not forget an important factor: getting to the NCAA-T is more about getting hot at the right time of year. Heck, by New Year's Eve 2001, Kent State's world crumbled. I think that was the only time in my college career I was suicidal thanks to bad pre-confrence losses and bad close wins. Look at OU last year, CSU 2 years ago. (CSU was pretty good all year.) But OU was not even on the radar going into the
MAC-T. We could still win the MAC. But I'm not planning on booking a flight to CLE just yet.

(12-29-2010 09:35 AM)Kent 76 Wrote:  I'm with Axeme. This IS a "rebuilding" year, but the MAC has become so weak that Kent State can, and should, be right in it.

I hate to speculate about Guyton, who is missed, but if the "facts" are just as has trickled down, I wonder why the charge isn't "unauthorized use of a motor vehicle", which is "only" a misdemeanor? Because of the impact on this team, this year and next, I'm anxious to see how this all unfolds.

Because the woman claims he took the car without her knowledge or permission after she passed out, hard to meet the affirmative defenses for unauthorized use allowed in Ohio.

Ohio Motor Vehicle Code

Why Guyton didn’t call anyone else to pick him up, including the teammates he lives with, is the true baffling question to me. That single phone call could have avoided this mess.

With all the newcomers to the team, uncertainty seems to be the theme for the present. I like the talent level I have seen so far, before conference play. Guyton's absence will definitely hurt, but hopefully things will shake out in his favor, and he can put this behind him, and move forward. Justin Greene gives us a solid presence underneath, and if Holt can build on his game with Morehead St., he can become a key contributor. I think we can compete this season, even with the roster turnover, simply because the MAC quite frankly is not going to scare anybody this season. Go Flashes!

(12-30-2010 10:20 PM)flashesfan21 Wrote:  With all the newcomers to the team, uncertainty seems to be the theme for the present. I like the talent level I have seen so far, before conference play. Guyton's absence will definitely hurt, but hopefully things will shake out in his favor, and he can put this behind him, and move forward. Justin Greene gives us a solid presence underneath, and if Holt can build on his game with Morehead St., he can become a key contributor. I think we can compete this season, even with the roster turnover, simply because the MAC quite frankly is not going to scare anybody this season. Go Flashes!

Competing is NOT what KSU BB is about (particualrly in this weak ass league). I suggest you (and maybe the team) adjust the goals.

(12-30-2010 10:29 PM)Flash FreaK 81 Wrote:  

(12-30-2010 10:20 PM)flashesfan21 Wrote:  With all the newcomers to the team, uncertainty seems to be the theme for the present. I like the talent level I have seen so far, before conference play. Guyton's absence will definitely hurt, but hopefully things will shake out in his favor, and he can put this behind him, and move forward. Justin Greene gives us a solid presence underneath, and if Holt can build on his game with Morehead St., he can become a key contributor. I think we can compete this season, even with the roster turnover, simply because the MAC quite frankly is not going to scare anybody this season. Go Flashes!

Competing is NOT what KSU BB is about (particualrly in this weak ass league). I suggest you (and maybe the team) adjust the goals.

flashesfan 21 - I apologize. My comments were rude. Happy New Year to you!

Flashfreak and flashesfan I actually find myself (as a fan) tangled between both of your points.

On one hand, I think we all realize that every game is going to be a struggle and every win will be precious considering the inexperience and roster issues. In that case, I can't get too upset when Kent hits a three game snag, or blows a close one or whatever may happen.

On the other hand, with Sherman and Greene leading the way against a weaker MAC I am still thinking that Kent could win the conference and/or the conference tournament in March. I also really do agree when you say that just competing isn't what KSU Basketball is all about. Frankly, with Coach Ford, Senderhoff, Sherman and Greene (all who know plenty about KSU and tradition) I am confident that this team will be just fine.

It will get really interesting when these guys are forced to sink or swim after a losing streak.

(12-31-2010 08:46 AM)Flash FreaK 81 Wrote:  

(12-30-2010 10:29 PM)Flash FreaK 81 Wrote:  

(12-30-2010 10:20 PM)flashesfan21 Wrote:  With all the newcomers to the team, uncertainty seems to be the theme for the present. I like the talent level I have seen so far, before conference play. Guyton's absence will definitely hurt, but hopefully things will shake out in his favor, and he can put this behind him, and move forward. Justin Greene gives us a solid presence underneath, and if Holt can build on his game with Morehead St., he can become a key contributor. I think we can compete this season, even with the roster turnover, simply because the MAC quite frankly is not going to scare anybody this season. Go Flashes!

Competing is NOT what KSU BB is about (particualrly in this weak ass league). I suggest you (and maybe the team) adjust the goals.

flashesfan 21 - I apologize. My comments were rude. Happy New Year to you!

No problem at all, Flash Freak. We all root for the same team! Go Flashes!! Happy New Year to you too, and all KSU fans on this site!!!!