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Interesting. Nice job by David.

Transition period with referees puts MAC basketball in tough spot
http://www.recordpub.com/news/sports_article/5144438

He was being nice and PC. The refs hosed us bad, taking our best player off the floor, and putting us behind the 8 ball. The sad thing is, it is likely to only get worse.

It is also my understanding that Dave wanted to or was going to say some things in this article that more accurately reflected the truth. It just ended up being edited, which changed some of his points.

I don't doubt that David's article is accurate, but I'm concerned that several days after the game people are still buying into the "we was robbed" mindset. If the players are buying into that and developing a martyr syndrome, instead of looking at what they could and should have done to win anyway, it is going to be a LONG, LONG season. I mean, for instance, Holt and Guyton, the #2 and #3, i.e. the shooters, went 7 for 21 from the floor!

(01-10-2012 01:38 PM)Kent 76 Wrote:  I don't doubt that David's article is accurate, but I'm concerned that several days after the game people are still buying into the "we was robbed" mindset. If the players are buying into that and developing a martyr syndrome, instead of looking at what they could and should have done to win anyway, it is going to be a LONG, LONG season. I mean, for instance, Holt and Guyton, the #2 and #3, i.e. the shooters, went 7 for 21 from the floor!

I know what you are saying. On one hand, losing by 1 point is one missed free throw or one missed layup. I'm not solely placing the blame on this loss on the refs. I'm sure Sendy is doing the same.
However, this article can be applied to a ton of MAC games from the last 5 years or so. Just face it, the officiating in this conference is terrible. It has been for a long time now.

From what I have seen and read officiating is always poor in every conference in every sport ever. You always hear complaints about refs it is not unique to the MAC.

Nobody is saying thats the reason we lost the game. I don't think. What is being stated is that it contributed to the end result which is a fact.

(01-10-2012 01:38 PM)Kent 76 Wrote:  I don't doubt that David's article is accurate, but I'm concerned that several days after the game people are still buying into the "we was robbed" mindset. If the players are buying into that and developing a martyr syndrome, instead of looking at what they could and should have done to win anyway, it is going to be a LONG, LONG season. I mean, for instance, Holt and Guyton, the #2 and #3, i.e. the shooters, went 7 for 21 from the floor!

I'm not saying it's why KSU lost -- I didn't see the game, so I can't say. Besides, I rarely blame the refs for a loss. I just thought it was interesting for DC to shed some light on the inner workings of the refs we'll see this year.

I follow the MAC and SEC the closest, and MAC refs are *way* more inconsistent than SEC refs.

What we really got was a dose of home cooking. I expect to to get that as I see it, not only in our league, but all over. At some point the imbalance is more that should be expected. No doubt, we received some of that at Buffalo. OTOH, I expect that we will be on the good side of that when teams come to the MACC. As for reffing in the the MAC, it is no worse in general than other leagues. I am old enough to remember a time when MAC officiating and particularly against us, was borderline cheating. One problem was that we were not very good and everyone knew it. Expect it, we and everyone else will lose a game due to imbalanced officiating.

I agree with dave's point and I will add. I watched several games in which players dive on the floor to tie a guy up whose sitting on his butt. There was never a foul called. You guys who say you can't blame the refs obviously never played sports. One bad ref can dictate a game. If you call it both ways then no complaint. Mitchell watt blocked two dunk attempts and did not get called for a foul. Can you block a dunk with no body contact? Greene does the same and gets whistled. He ties a guy up and he gets whistled. Mike p gets tied up by a buffalo player and the result is arrow buffalo way. If you had a copy of the game tape as I do you would be infuriated by the totally one sided officiating. Buffalo banged,slapped, pushed and received no penalty. Henny defends watt with his lower body and gets a foul. Do you honestly believe 32 to 14 foul shots was fair. Some of you think reffing doesn't affect players games. It does. If you don't believe me ask the ragin cajuns. They got away with six guys on the floor. The other team shouldnt blame the refs right? Now this is what's gonna happen. Greene is our best post defender I'm sure you will agree. Those really bad calls will change his agressiveness. He will have to give baskets he normally defends in order to stay on the floor. The thing that bothers me is that he rarely gets those call. You can't breathe on mcrae without a foul called. Trust me fellas the refs were really one sided. As a athlete I didn't mind losing but when the refs dictated the game it peed me off. I can't give buffalo credit because if the reffing was fair there is no way kent loses that game. If you can get a copy of the game, watch it and tell me if you still think you can't blame the refs.

I agree with dave's point and I will add. I watched several games in which players dive on the floor to tie a guy up whose sitting on his butt. There was never a foul called. You guys who say you can't blame the refs obviously never played sports. One bad ref can dictate a game. If you call it both ways then no complaint. Mitchell watt blocked two dunk attempts and did not get called for a foul. Can you blocka dunk with no body contact? Greene does the same and gets whistled. He ties a guy up and he gets whistled. Mike p gets tied up by. A buffalo player and the result is arrow buffalo way. If you had a copy of the game tape as I do you would be infuriated by the totally one sided officiating. Buffalo banged,slapped, pushed and received no penalty. Henny defends watt with his lower body and gets a foul. Do you honestly believe 32 to 14 foul shots was fair. Some of you think reffing doesn't affect players games. It does. If you don't believe me ask the ragin cajuns. They got away with six guys on the floor. The other team skouldnt blame the refs right? Now this is what's gonna happen. Greene is our best post defender I'm sure you will agree. Those really bad calls will change his agressiveness. He will have to give baskets he normally defends in order to stay on the floor. The thing that bothers me is that he rarely gets those call. You can't breathe on mcrae without a foul called. Trust me fellas the refs were really one sided. As a athlete I didn't mind losing but when the refs dictated the game it peed me off. I can't give buffa credit because if the reffing was fair there is no way kent loses that game. If you can get a copy of the game, watch it and tell me if you still think you can't blame the refs.

(01-10-2012 04:37 PM)j williams Wrote:  I agree with dave's point and I will add. I watched several games in which players dive on the floor to tie a guy up whose sitting on his butt. There was never a foul called. You guys who say you can't blame the refs obviously never played sports. One bad ref can dictate a game. If you call it both ways then no complaint. Mitchell watt blocked two dunk attempts and did not get called for a foul. Can you blocka dunk with no body contact? Greene does the same and gets whistled. He ties a guy up and he gets whistled. Mike p gets tied up by. A buffalo player and the result is arrow buffalo way. If you had a copy of the game tape as I do you would be infuriated by the totally one sided officiating. Buffalo banged,slapped, pushed and received no penalty. Henny defends watt with his lower body and gets a foul. Do you honestly believe 32 to 14 foul shots was fair. Some of you think reffing doesn't affect players games. It does. If you don't believe me ask the ragin cajuns. They got away with six guys on the floor. The other team skouldnt blame the refs right? Now this is what's gonna happen. Greene is our best post defender I'm sure you will agree. Those really bad calls will change his agressiveness. He will have to give baskets he normally defends in order to stay on the floor. The thing that bothers me is that he rarely gets those call. You can't breathe on mcrae without a foul called. Trust me fellas the refs were really one sided. As a athlete I didn't mind losing but when the refs dictated the game it peed me off. I can't give buffa credit because if the reffing was fair there is no way kent loses that game. If you can get a copy of the game, watch it and tell me if you still think you can't blame the refs.

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The best part about it is that we were the best team on the floor Saturday night. Regardless of the outcome, we have 15 more conference games to prove who the best in the MAC is and I have no doubt based on what I have seen YTD that team is KSU. So call me encouraged.

I think DC's point is with the inexperience of the refs now being used by the MAC, you can expect more 'home cooking' . They will be more likely to get intimidated by the atmosphere and the opposing home coach. Basketball is the sport that the refs can have a huge impact on the outcome, by how they call the game. The players will have to adjust as will the coaches and fans. We were the better team Sat night, but the better team doesn't always win. Did the refs have an impact on the game probably, could we have still won yes.

We will adjust and move on.

GO FLASHES!!!!!!!!

I didn't see this game, but there have been multiple examples of refs ruining games this year. Again I'm biased on this, but multiple articles on sports sites supported my thoughts that the OSUvs Indiana game seemed fixed. The 2 leading scorers in foul trouble at half, and Aaron Craft, who is known for good defense without fouling, on a team that has very few fouls per game usually? But you can't get away from a mans bias for making calls. If you can't suck it up, watch bowling or golf.

Home cooking or bad referees it doesn't really matter. Unless someone thinks it's a conspiracy against Kent, it should equal out over a season. It's hell to lose a game that way but somewhere down the road we probably will win one. Truly good teams overcome it in the long haul. This is a big week coming up. We need to win both home games this week or we will have more to worry about than the refs.